Rod Racing How high will a Ford 289 rev safely for racing?
I have been told the Ford 289 will rev higher then other small block Ford V8's. Mine is a rebuilt 1967 289 with a hydrolic race cam, 30 over 11 to 1 pistons, Moly rings, alum. rods and a cast crank. Heads are stock castings , ported with a three angle valve job, duel springs, heavy duty retainers, roller rockers & stud girdles, moly push rods and guide plates.
The weak link in your chain is the main caps. The 289 is a 2 bolt main block. I had my 347 stroker up to 6000RPM a few times over about 600 miles and when I pulled off the main caps, you could see where they were "dancing" up and down on the block and the two surfaces were compromised. This was with ARP main studs (yes torqued properly).
The solution for your bottom end (if you stick with this block) is a main girdle...one like this http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=TFS%2D51500700&autoview=sku The girdle will actually "twist" the block a little so it needs to be line honed by a machine shop.
Another limiting factor (only considering rev's) in your case is the hydraulic lifters. If your only concern was more revs then look into solid lifters and a different cam. Do you have hardened push rods?
If you post the specs on your cam I could give you an idea of how high it will safely rev. Duration, lift, lobe separation, etc.
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“I take that last jab because the RP community in the days of yore actually cared about the people they were playing with. They built their characters and elaborate fictions collaboratively and interactively. But these days, every time I hear about or listen to an RP, I get turned off by the extremely self-righteous, uncompromising, and insular attitude of most of them. It makes it very hard to take them seriously at all.”
It really does and the irony is that they're mostly bitter grammar nazi with anger issues (and not just angst – some of them are the most spiteful full-fledged adults ever)that make no real contribution to a thriving roleplaying community in which the precedent was always to get back more than you put in because they're greedy in so many different ways. I think of them as for roleplay what the super-capitalists are for the auction house and/or any mmorpg economy. I wish I could say I didn't know what you're talking about (being one of the 'last mohicans' as one of my fellow roleplayers lightheartedly calls it whom game by the old standards)but unfortunately I do.
Still, I disagree that roleplay is obsoleted. It continues to change just as games change. I believe that if videogames could have shaken the roleplaying bug in players it would've already – but the truth is that roleplay is rooted in the very concept of videogames. The foundations of any game anywhere are the same as those in a game of pretend, they're intrinsically tied. As long as people want to play games where they fight demons as knights with magic swords there will be those people who want to pretend further and more deeply.
I mean what is the relation with escapism, anyway? Sure, sometimes a videogame can be where you can be who you want to be and act on feelings you probably can't in the real world. Chopping up child molesters with a katana gets you arrested as it is, right? But is that really escapism? In roleplay, proper roleplayers make a purposeful, distinct effort (and this is first and foremost above all in any good roleplaying community) to be in constant awareness of and to seperate In-Character and Out-Of-Character. This means you're always a person playing a videogame and unfortunately your tailbone gets sore if you sit in a chair too long whether or not your character has been standing up for the past hour. Just because I'm spending my hard earned money to pretend to be Lionel the elvaan samurai on a quest to redeem his long-dead ancestors of their mistakes rather than watch the newest (i love old tarantino movies)tarantino flick in which some long-legged girl kills all the inherantly-evil men in the plot, jump out of an aeroplane screaming “TO THE EXTREEEME”, see just how desperate the producers of “Nip-Tuck” have become to keep providing 'shock value' content in the form of rediculous betrayals and people having sex with everything ranging from midgets to japanese cut outs of power rangers, waste my time and/or accidentally get someone pregnant by carousing with young (though admittedly delicious)blondes severely confusing female liberation with insane promiscuousness or better yet go club somebody for my political stance in a rush of zealous fury dosn't mean I am escaping from the real world. Though I'll admit it may mean I require some stipend of recreation to tolerate it. Dosn't everyone, at least sometimes?
Still, I'll play ball:
If the universe of videogames has changed and the position of roleplay is being weeded out since growth from smaller-scale MMOs and MUDs before that it's not because people don't still want to roleplay anymore or because we have better graphics. It's because back then (anyone remember when FF 2 came out for the SNES and how barely anyone other than your best friends knew what the hell an RPG videogame was?)the only sort of people playing MMORPGs and MUDs were people that enjoyed RPGs whom were people that love fantasy stories and likely played alot of pretend as kids. As it is now, people realized how awesome RPGs are over the years (think a few years after the SNES american FF3 came out and everybody who thought you were weird for playing FF2 back then all the sudden absolutely adore Cloud from FF7 who just so happens to be the worst hero idol ever)and became addicted to the gaming style even if they weren't necessarily roleplayers. This meant that squaresoft and other RPG suppliers who originally made products and games that couldn't hold a CANDLE to the profit made off of “John Madden's super football ultimate awesome redwhiteandbluemothafugga” or “hot rod racing” are suddenly making lots of money and even MORE off of soundtracks, artbooks, posters, action figures, small buddhist temples…
Now, consider that perhaps these first games (which are rooted in fantasy stories that date back to when the human mind became sentient (lolz!), aka when people began to imagine stuff – the warrior and the princess, etc.)that made very little profit were done so just out of creative visionary, just like when as children maybe some of the kids you played pretend with found a certain joy in doing the play-pretend version of GMing, alerting you that 10,000 ninjas of the foot clan had erupted from under tommy's tricycle and were attacking the ninja turtles, all the sudden are faced with mad amounts of MOOLAH. Realizing a wider audience, they began making games to continually reap this profit and increase it. What was a story became a dilluted interactive yes-man to what precisely the majority of gamer-consumers responded to positively the most(FF7 and Cloud. I'm telling you). Now, all sorts of people are playing RPGs, even those who don't really grasp what the hell an RPG really is beyond the knowledge that killing things gets you levels and that's always a nice feeling (whereas in a beat-em-up you never retain anything for your hours of hard button-jamming other than a fancy point score in the upper left of the screen – and I LOVED river city ransom), you'll notice it's around this same period in time that the “Action rpg” genre is formed and john madden's football series releases games in which you can 'earn' or 'unlock' extra players, or all those nice racing games where you can actually spend the money you earn to buy new parts for your vehicle came out. Soon enough, the main hero of a final fantasy game (our premier RPG series as gamers)ends up being a half-cowardly soccer player with blonde hair, blue eyes whose biggest personal motivation is that he has anger issues towards his father. With all due respect, are we not in harmony saying “WTF” at this point?
I mean, arguing that roleplay is becoming obsolete (and realizing this is because like anything that used to be truly good for you as much as it was fun the world of industry and profit pretty much ruined it)because mmorpgs are moreso populated by non roleplayers is essentially the same as saying singleplayer rpgs are becoming obsolete because they make less money. Oh crap, are they? I love singleplayer rpgs.
Anyway, I'm sure you read some amount of mild frustration in my half-ranting there(Ranting is always fun) but I think my point stands and I honestly believe that (though I don't agree with them or condone their behavior -ESPECIALLY- because it gives my gaming community a bad name and turns roleplaying sour for everybody, even those not roleplaying)people whom seem bitter or even arrogant are that way at least in some little teeny amount because all the people they -don't- like are suddenly in their treehouse mucking it up for everyone and paying atrocity to once-sacred sentiments behind wonderful story elements in their ignorance of the depth and beauty in this Very Special Vice.
Likewise in the rest of the world during this time: the kid who punches out the bully at school gets expelled while the bully dosn't, people continue to get rapists off on the idea that the victim seduced them and/or “asked for it”, sensitive and good natured people are called “Emo” and enjoy the most vicious, un-necessary treatment from their peers until they either become emotionally unstable or turn into cold-blooded bastards so they can survive (koreans shoot 30 people in their university, two kids go to their highschool and shoot a bunch of people), the capacity to guiltlessly indulge in debauchery threatens to become a “virtue” of the stable and successful, superman is the most hated superhero -purely- because of his ideals, christians get persecuted for their beliefs because they don't agree with polyamorous lifestyles and/or homosexual anal sex, “corny” and “high falutic” enters the seven most deadly sins (making them eight), women find refuge in the idea that you “can't rape the wiling”, the list goes on.
You might think that bringing this out to light on my part isn't necessary or timely for this medium and you're right, it's not: but I'm free as a bird now and baby this bird cannot change.
But seriously, you might think that all these things have -nothing- to do with the state of gaming and whether or not people roleplay or if roleplay is becoming obsolete but the truth is it's impossible for it -not- to be directly related. Videogames are recreation, recreation is relief and enjoyment (endorphins, all that good stuff).
The need for recreation comes from what?
At which point, or what factors would be involved in making the need for recreation increase? (to the point that almost everybody who can afford it might be playing WoW as we speak and people are making billions off of it)
Of gamers in general: I could smack alot of people for alot of reasons in everyday life but a more promising fact is that Unreal Tournament is awesome and I'm ranked 83 world-wide all-time out of 1 million players in Gears of War 2's SUBMISSION game (seriously, I am). PH33R.*
Of roleplayers: The desire to make more of something in a game of pretend (and yes this risks usually-unnecessary elaboration and god forgive us we -are- good at that) comes from what? A personal flaw? A psychological one? The tendencies of an escapist? Or perhaps the struggle to make sense of what's going on in the world around you and believe that something true and meaningful can be had out of things. Not necessarily because you're “emo” or anything, but because you prefer fine wine over water coolers and like it when things are enriched and have integrity. As much as bouncy boobies and 'teabagging' people can be (and as real as the human chemistry from which the desire to objectify women and destroy/humiliate any and all opposition for whatever reason we might want truly is)utterly fantastic, at the end of the day I can't (and most roleplayers can't)be sated entirely by playing the role of an ape that happens to perfectly fit the American stereotype our enemies despise us for.
I guess you have to ask yourself if roleplaying is becoming obsolete or if we're giving up and settling for less because things went bad (both internally and not). Is that really a good idea? I mean, without the epicism and the drama what's the point of anything not literally and utterly industrious anyway? Should we make a newer version of “Legend” with tom cruise in which he runs around with giant breasted elf girls and maybe kills some people not his shade of human skin before slamming down a water-tower sized mug of ale and pimping out some lvl 99 star grade cutlasses to the newbs? Not that such a tom cruise isn't totally awesomez0r, but really, how fun and enlightening that would be.
I'm out of wind crystals to synthesize bronze boltheads now (wewt, 12 smithing). Enjoy.
Why should you or anyone else be shocked by this.This really seems to be the norm attitude. Because of something many years ago some blacks are not willing to let the White race live it down. When in fact the White and Black race fought for the blacks right to vote, and get into places like Yale, but he didn't mention that did he. Enough already, no you shouldn't have been here in bondage to pick cotton in North Carolina at one time, but jeez that was well over 200 years ago. Let it go. If maybe just maybe the black race would give up on some of this Whitie did this and that to me. These crazy groups like KKK would disappear. I'm truly sorry for some of the crap the White race has done, and not just to the blacks, look at the Native American. No respect for Gates, not because of his skin, because of his mouth.
What I saw was an intelligent conversation by an intelligent man in the video link you posted. There was no rant. And you think World Net Daily is going to present any kind of objective picture . . . I did notice the video had been edited. What was taken out?
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Frohike said,
“I take that last jab because the RP community in the days of yore actually cared about the people they were playing with. They built their characters and elaborate fictions collaboratively and interactively. But these days, every time I hear about or listen to an RP, I get turned off by the extremely self-righteous, uncompromising, and insular attitude of most of them. It makes it very hard to take them seriously at all.”
It really does and the irony is that they're mostly bitter grammar nazi with anger issues (and not just angst – some of them are the most spiteful full-fledged adults ever)that make no real contribution to a thriving roleplaying community in which the precedent was always to get back more than you put in because they're greedy in so many different ways. I think of them as for roleplay what the super-capitalists are for the auction house and/or any mmorpg economy. I wish I could say I didn't know what you're talking about (being one of the 'last mohicans' as one of my fellow roleplayers lightheartedly calls it whom game by the old standards)but unfortunately I do.
Still, I disagree that roleplay is obsoleted. It continues to change just as games change. I believe that if videogames could have shaken the roleplaying bug in players it would've already – but the truth is that roleplay is rooted in the very concept of videogames. The foundations of any game anywhere are the same as those in a game of pretend, they're intrinsically tied. As long as people want to play games where they fight demons as knights with magic swords there will be those people who want to pretend further and more deeply.
I mean what is the relation with escapism, anyway? Sure, sometimes a videogame can be where you can be who you want to be and act on feelings you probably can't in the real world. Chopping up child molesters with a katana gets you arrested as it is, right? But is that really escapism? In roleplay, proper roleplayers make a purposeful, distinct effort (and this is first and foremost above all in any good roleplaying community) to be in constant awareness of and to seperate In-Character and Out-Of-Character. This means you're always a person playing a videogame and unfortunately your tailbone gets sore if you sit in a chair too long whether or not your character has been standing up for the past hour. Just because I'm spending my hard earned money to pretend to be Lionel the elvaan samurai on a quest to redeem his long-dead ancestors of their mistakes rather than watch the newest (i love old tarantino movies)tarantino flick in which some long-legged girl kills all the inherantly-evil men in the plot, jump out of an aeroplane screaming “TO THE EXTREEEME”, see just how desperate the producers of “Nip-Tuck” have become to keep providing 'shock value' content in the form of rediculous betrayals and people having sex with everything ranging from midgets to japanese cut outs of power rangers, waste my time and/or accidentally get someone pregnant by carousing with young (though admittedly delicious)blondes severely confusing female liberation with insane promiscuousness or better yet go club somebody for my political stance in a rush of zealous fury dosn't mean I am escaping from the real world. Though I'll admit it may mean I require some stipend of recreation to tolerate it. Dosn't everyone, at least sometimes?
Still, I'll play ball:
If the universe of videogames has changed and the position of roleplay is being weeded out since growth from smaller-scale MMOs and MUDs before that it's not because people don't still want to roleplay anymore or because we have better graphics. It's because back then (anyone remember when FF 2 came out for the SNES and how barely anyone other than your best friends knew what the hell an RPG videogame was?)the only sort of people playing MMORPGs and MUDs were people that enjoyed RPGs whom were people that love fantasy stories and likely played alot of pretend as kids. As it is now, people realized how awesome RPGs are over the years (think a few years after the SNES american FF3 came out and everybody who thought you were weird for playing FF2 back then all the sudden absolutely adore Cloud from FF7 who just so happens to be the worst hero idol ever)and became addicted to the gaming style even if they weren't necessarily roleplayers. This meant that squaresoft and other RPG suppliers who originally made products and games that couldn't hold a CANDLE to the profit made off of “John Madden's super football ultimate awesome redwhiteandbluemothafugga” or “hot rod racing” are suddenly making lots of money and even MORE off of soundtracks, artbooks, posters, action figures, small buddhist temples…
Now, consider that perhaps these first games (which are rooted in fantasy stories that date back to when the human mind became sentient (lolz!), aka when people began to imagine stuff – the warrior and the princess, etc.)that made very little profit were done so just out of creative visionary, just like when as children maybe some of the kids you played pretend with found a certain joy in doing the play-pretend version of GMing, alerting you that 10,000 ninjas of the foot clan had erupted from under tommy's tricycle and were attacking the ninja turtles, all the sudden are faced with mad amounts of MOOLAH. Realizing a wider audience, they began making games to continually reap this profit and increase it. What was a story became a dilluted interactive yes-man to what precisely the majority of gamer-consumers responded to positively the most(FF7 and Cloud. I'm telling you). Now, all sorts of people are playing RPGs, even those who don't really grasp what the hell an RPG really is beyond the knowledge that killing things gets you levels and that's always a nice feeling (whereas in a beat-em-up you never retain anything for your hours of hard button-jamming other than a fancy point score in the upper left of the screen – and I LOVED river city ransom), you'll notice it's around this same period in time that the “Action rpg” genre is formed and john madden's football series releases games in which you can 'earn' or 'unlock' extra players, or all those nice racing games where you can actually spend the money you earn to buy new parts for your vehicle came out. Soon enough, the main hero of a final fantasy game (our premier RPG series as gamers)ends up being a half-cowardly soccer player with blonde hair, blue eyes whose biggest personal motivation is that he has anger issues towards his father. With all due respect, are we not in harmony saying “WTF” at this point?
I mean, arguing that roleplay is becoming obsolete (and realizing this is because like anything that used to be truly good for you as much as it was fun the world of industry and profit pretty much ruined it)because mmorpgs are moreso populated by non roleplayers is essentially the same as saying singleplayer rpgs are becoming obsolete because they make less money. Oh crap, are they? I love singleplayer rpgs.
Anyway, I'm sure you read some amount of mild frustration in my half-ranting there(Ranting is always fun) but I think my point stands and I honestly believe that (though I don't agree with them or condone their behavior -ESPECIALLY- because it gives my gaming community a bad name and turns roleplaying sour for everybody, even those not roleplaying)people whom seem bitter or even arrogant are that way at least in some little teeny amount because all the people they -don't- like are suddenly in their treehouse mucking it up for everyone and paying atrocity to once-sacred sentiments behind wonderful story elements in their ignorance of the depth and beauty in this Very Special Vice.
Likewise in the rest of the world during this time: the kid who punches out the bully at school gets expelled while the bully dosn't, people continue to get rapists off on the idea that the victim seduced them and/or “asked for it”, sensitive and good natured people are called “Emo” and enjoy the most vicious, un-necessary treatment from their peers until they either become emotionally unstable or turn into cold-blooded bastards so they can survive (koreans shoot 30 people in their university, two kids go to their highschool and shoot a bunch of people), the capacity to guiltlessly indulge in debauchery threatens to become a “virtue” of the stable and successful, superman is the most hated superhero -purely- because of his ideals, christians get persecuted for their beliefs because they don't agree with polyamorous lifestyles and/or homosexual anal sex, “corny” and “high falutic” enters the seven most deadly sins (making them eight), women find refuge in the idea that you “can't rape the wiling”, the list goes on.
You might think that bringing this out to light on my part isn't necessary or timely for this medium and you're right, it's not: but I'm free as a bird now and baby this bird cannot change.
But seriously, you might think that all these things have -nothing- to do with the state of gaming and whether or not people roleplay or if roleplay is becoming obsolete but the truth is it's impossible for it -not- to be directly related. Videogames are recreation, recreation is relief and enjoyment (endorphins, all that good stuff).
The need for recreation comes from what?
At which point, or what factors would be involved in making the need for recreation increase? (to the point that almost everybody who can afford it might be playing WoW as we speak and people are making billions off of it)
Of gamers in general: I could smack alot of people for alot of reasons in everyday life but a more promising fact is that Unreal Tournament is awesome and I'm ranked 83 world-wide all-time out of 1 million players in Gears of War 2's SUBMISSION game (seriously, I am). PH33R.*
Of roleplayers: The desire to make more of something in a game of pretend (and yes this risks usually-unnecessary elaboration and god forgive us we -are- good at that) comes from what? A personal flaw? A psychological one? The tendencies of an escapist? Or perhaps the struggle to make sense of what's going on in the world around you and believe that something true and meaningful can be had out of things. Not necessarily because you're “emo” or anything, but because you prefer fine wine over water coolers and like it when things are enriched and have integrity. As much as bouncy boobies and 'teabagging' people can be (and as real as the human chemistry from which the desire to objectify women and destroy/humiliate any and all opposition for whatever reason we might want truly is)utterly fantastic, at the end of the day I can't (and most roleplayers can't)be sated entirely by playing the role of an ape that happens to perfectly fit the American stereotype our enemies despise us for.
I guess you have to ask yourself if roleplaying is becoming obsolete or if we're giving up and settling for less because things went bad (both internally and not). Is that really a good idea? I mean, without the epicism and the drama what's the point of anything not literally and utterly industrious anyway? Should we make a newer version of “Legend” with tom cruise in which he runs around with giant breasted elf girls and maybe kills some people not his shade of human skin before slamming down a water-tower sized mug of ale and pimping out some lvl 99 star grade cutlasses to the newbs? Not that such a tom cruise isn't totally awesomez0r, but really, how fun and enlightening that would be.
I'm out of wind crystals to synthesize bronze boltheads now (wewt, 12 smithing). Enjoy.
Why should you or anyone else be shocked by this.This really seems to be the norm attitude. Because of something many years ago some blacks are not willing to let the White race live it down. When in fact the White and Black race fought for the blacks right to vote, and get into places like Yale, but he didn't mention that did he.
Enough already, no you shouldn't have been here in bondage to pick cotton in North Carolina at one time, but jeez that was well over 200 years ago. Let it go.
If maybe just maybe the black race would give up on some of this Whitie did this and that to me. These crazy groups like KKK would disappear.
I'm truly sorry for some of the crap the White race has done, and not just to the blacks, look at the Native American.
No respect for Gates, not because of his skin, because of his mouth.
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What I saw was an intelligent conversation by an intelligent man in the video link you posted. There was no rant. And you think World Net Daily is going to present any kind of objective picture . . . I did notice the video had been edited. What was taken out?